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Michael Pingleton
2/5/2012 09:48:39 pm
i agree with Tolkien if you mean that the stuggle is death no one can defeat like Cameron said daeth is the only thing guanteed in life is death. and modern alienation to me is just the outcome of societies hypocrisies people get rejected from a group or click and that's what we think as alienation then it was society putting beowulf on an unbelievably high pedistool... it is similar however in the fact that in one way or another people who are alienated are distanced from the normal society
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Jason Riley
2/5/2012 09:59:39 pm
I sorta agree with it. Since Grendel is like an abomination he is kinda considered an alien. He was disfigured and mutated like an alien would be. When we think of aliens today, we think of spaceships and UFO's and stuff. Back then it was mutations and things.
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Austin Andrew
2/5/2012 09:59:56 pm
For the first part I disagree. In modern alienation, the fight for survival would be a lot more competitive for us because of our modern technology. Opposed to earlier years, we didn't have much technology to fight back.
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Jason Riley
2/8/2012 10:43:09 am
I agree with Austin. The fight for survival would be a lot more competitive since have have nukes, nerve gas, and so on. In earlier years we didn't really have much to defend ourselves as good as we can now.
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Cody M.
2/6/2012 12:01:51 am
I agree that alienation will lead to failure. If you don't understand something or are alien to a scenario then you are usually doomed to fail.modern day alienation is different than back then because today if we are unfamiliar with something then we are squally outcast socially. We won't be killed or attacked in most cases of alienation today as in comparison to back then.
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Caleb Goss
2/6/2012 08:53:55 am
If you're alien and a true person who can succeed you cope and find away. No one ever said fitting in or getting the things done would ever be easy that's why it takes hardwork and dedication. The rest of I agree. Except we can still die similar to back then because they're is bullying and kids tend to take their lives over it instead of getting help just because they're alien.
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Shelby Dixon
2/6/2012 01:48:04 am
I agree with this statement. Grendel can't help that he's an unhappy monster. Beowulf changes each year cause it keeps getting older and everybody has their own version. In modern stories, everything that happens is things that would happen now and the old version is things that would happen back then.
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Gordon Witt
2/6/2012 01:48:12 am
I agree with that.Because in there Beowulf he getting old wild the bad guys are younger then him.In ever day life old people can not get around like us young cats.
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Bradley Broughton
2/6/2012 01:48:59 am
I agree with this. The alienation in Beowulf is how Beowulf always tries to do the best and succeeds when others fail. Modern alienation is not really fitting in or being totally different. If you move to a different country with people of different races, beliefs and cultures you would feel alienated.
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Donny Wyatt
2/7/2012 01:30:41 am
I agree with u on that one bradley people shouldn't look down on you just the way u look. Just because u act different don't mean u are going to be wired or nouthing
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Caleb Goss
2/6/2012 04:48:16 am
I have to disagree with him. Mainly because no matter what you do or how you end up I believe you've already reached victory you're just going for greatness if you overcome the task and succeed in the challenges. It's a moral victory. He has victory because he's already attempted it. There's people who won't do it or anything, so when you out work or out try the next person that is true victory. Basically today's alienation is being separated or put out. One way to represent that is cliques we have today. Jocks, Popular, and Weirdo's. Back then alienation must have been with heritage and who you came from.
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haley Lawson
2/6/2012 10:16:36 am
I disagree with Tolkien. I don’t agree that everyone will be beaten in the end. Beowulf feels as if he is alienated from all others. The characters do what is expected out of revenge, due to the "evil times".
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haley Lawson
2/6/2012 10:33:06 am
@ Gordon I disagree with you because grandparents are having to raise grandchildren so they are having to work till they are old just to pay the bills. So they are not being alienated in my opinion.
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Buddy Harrison
2/6/2012 09:29:56 pm
i will have to disagree with the scholar Tolkien. i think if a man is in a hostile world, and doesnt know his the fight ahead, it could be used as motivation tool. even if the odds are stacked against him, and even when he figures out the battle to come, he could be a hero and attempt to come out on top. this has been done many times in war. the word "alienation" has almost no difference than what it means in modern time. it means to be an outsider, a thing that is different, or not from his world.
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Kiana Mahjub
2/6/2012 10:07:26 pm
I agree with it. Beowulf won't always be able to be the one to save the day, at some point someone else will need to step up and save the day. The older he gets the more young villains will pop up and it'll get to the point where he's not be able to defeat everyone.
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Kelsey Marinelli
2/7/2012 09:43:37 pm
I agree with Kiana. No matter who you ae or how great you are you always get older. And when you get older, new people are born. So when new people are born they may be even stronger or even better than you are or use to be.
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Blake Davis
2/6/2012 10:25:58 pm
I agree with the Tolkien about the suggested theme of Beowulf. One reason I agree is because Grendel is an unhappy monster. Grendel is like an alien he can't reall help that though. Grendel the reason being he is like that is because he is sorta disfigured as Jason Riley mentioned. He also mentioned he was mutated like an alien
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Bradon Barnett
2/7/2012 01:27:05 am
I agree with this. Grendel was a really really bad moster.He scares me sometimes.Beowulf gets older while the bad scare moster does not age as fast as he does.
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Donny Wyatt
2/7/2012 01:28:19 am
I consider Grendel an ailliean because he is so different from every body. People look at him as he is not as good as them butt then they finally realize that he cares and he ain't that bad after all.
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Makayla Alcorn
2/7/2012 01:31:19 am
I agree that alienation will lead to failure. If you don't understand something or are alien to a scenario then you are usually doomed to fail.modern day alienation is different than back then because today if we are unfamiliar with something then we are squally outcast socially.
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Bradley Broughton
2/7/2012 01:39:08 am
I agree with Gordon Witt. He is a lot older than most of the warriors at the time. He is kind of like an alien because of his age. However, he accomplishes a lot more than most of the young warriors?
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germy bailey
2/7/2012 05:13:29 am
I totallly agree with tolken. Cause grendel was a abomination he is considered non human. he had super power like abiluty. When we think of different creatures in todays time, we think of ugly and super power abilitys.
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germy
2/7/2012 05:57:19 am
i agree with calab GOSS totally 100 % all the way no ifs ands or buts about it
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cory hatfield
2/7/2012 08:17:29 am
I agree with Tolkien. Baowolf come from a place and was an outsider and he had different values. He believed in honor and fighting for what is right, even if it will kill him.
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Aliesha sams
2/7/2012 09:04:36 am
I agree with this. In the earlier years people always had different outlooks on things then we do now. Now when we think about things like that, we think about UFO's and things we don't think about monsters like Grendel. Back then when people thought about monsters it wasn't aliens it was huge monsters that killed you in your sleep.
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Cody M.
2/7/2012 09:16:12 pm
Actually Jason when it says alien I think it means foreign as in not of our society. But in a way Grendel is also considered an alien in the way that you described.in many ways Grendel represents what we think of as different and monstrous.
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Kelsey Marinelli
2/7/2012 09:47:41 pm
I kind of agree with the statement. Grendal doesn't age as sat as everyone else. And Beowulf does grow old so sometime in the future he may not be able to move around as well as he use to. But in the modern day, they have gyms and medication and stuff to help keep you in shape no matter how old you become. And about alienation, well now a days you have people to help you feel like less of an outcast if you begin to feel like one. Back the. They didn't.
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Mark Agee
2/7/2012 09:58:00 pm
I disagree with Tolkien. I do not think he is right. They didn't think he was an alien. They thought he was a freak. They hated him. They shunned him. That's different than being an alien. Aliens come in peace!
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Mark Agee
2/7/2012 10:00:25 pm
I agree with Caleb. Tolkien isn't right.
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Blake Linville
2/7/2012 10:18:20 pm
I disagree with Tolkien. Yeah Beowulf stays by himself and doesn't really talk to anyone. But that doesn't mean he is a alien. He has no one to share his life with like family and friends.
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victoria shearer
2/7/2012 10:30:28 pm
i think what beowulf dealt with is different with what we dealt with in dailey life. we have different obsticles. beowulf deals with monsters and battle, war, princes, and kings. we deal with family problems,school, social and fiancial problems. i think we deal with different problems cause we lived in different societies and times.
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Blake Dickerson
2/8/2012 12:48:08 am
i agree with Tolkien Beowulf is all alone against death is inevitable that is why he feels alone against the world. i agree with Michael Pingleton Modrn alienation people rject you from groups and deny too pay attention too you if they do not like you or think you are "Cool".
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Shelby Dixon
2/8/2012 01:13:54 am
I agree with with victora. Yes Beowulf is similar to us. We have different situations though. We don't have problems about us being kings or queens.
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KD Webb
2/8/2012 01:30:09 am
I sorta agree with it. I mean, alienation and being an abomination with SOME pele would lead to failure, gbhhbhgggbjlmffffji
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Samantha Sonnemann
2/8/2012 01:33:25 am
I kind of agree with the statement because Grendel is like an alien, he's disfigured & weird looking. But then again, it's not his fault that's what he looks like. I don't think Grendel would be do unhappy if he just stopped comparing himself to the warriors. He thinks he's not as good as them because of what they do. Yes, Grendel is a monster but that doesn't mean he has to act like one. Killing people will won't help him look any better.
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KD Webb
2/8/2012 01:44:42 am
I sorta agree with it. I mean, alienation and abomination with SOME people will lead to failure and crappy-ness. But I'm basically a failure too, soooooo, CHALLENGE ACCEPTED >>_>>
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Joe Thomas
2/8/2012 01:45:49 am
I agree with Tolkien. If you think of it Beowulf is the alien that's trying to win by killing Beowulf. He didn't win the first timeso he failed. His mother is now gonna try to kill Beowulf but it won't happen.
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Cody Richmond
2/8/2012 08:36:22 am
I agree with Tolkien. Because in the story Beowulf Grendel was alienated. Because he was different, and didn't fit in because he looked say and mean. Alienation today I think is similar in many ways. Kids these days judge people on how they look, what they were, and if they don't have the latest trends they are pushed aside. Or "alienated".
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Ben Powell
2/8/2012 10:05:13 am
I agree with Tolkien. If you think about it beuolf is an alien. Because he came into a different place. He tryed to save people by coming in and fighting the monsters so that they don't have to worrie about them.
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Josh mcnemar
2/8/2012 10:20:27 am
I Agree with the scholar. I think modern alienation isnt that different from the alienation in Beowulf. If you really break it downand look at it, it isn't that much different. For example if some one makes u mad or u don't like them u essentially shun them. That's how I see modern alienation.
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Jamie Hall
2/8/2012 10:31:32 pm
I agree. Modern day alienation is a lot like the kind depicted in the story. It really isn't all that different. I agree with Tolkien too.
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Kali Lakes
2/8/2012 10:33:43 am
I agree with the statement. If you don't fully believe in yourself or understand something you are somewhat setting yourself up for failure. I believe into today's society allienation is things that we can't fully understand, like UFO's. Back then it was if there was something wrong with you.
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Austin Andrew
2/8/2012 10:01:44 pm
I agree with Mark Agee. There is a difference with alienation. He may have been shunned. But he's still of the same planet. So he isn't an alien.
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Hannah Parks
2/8/2012 10:05:50 pm
I think people are scared of the unfamiliar, and they thought of Grendel as an abomination whe they could have accepted him in to society and he could have done good instead of evil, but Beowulf will eventually fail, luck runs out and he won't be a hero forever. Soni diss agree with Tolkien.
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Jamie Hall
2/8/2012 10:27:09 pm
I agree with the statement. It does seem as though Grendal is an alien to the world he lives in. He doesn'nt exactly belong. But Grendal was alienated because God banished him, while nowadays people are alienated becuase of the way they look and stuff.
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Tyler rose
2/8/2012 10:28:19 pm
I believe in the statement. Because if u don't believe in your self then you can't get anything accomplished in life. If you believe in yourself the you can accomplish anything you want to. I believe in today's modern society alienation is things that we can't understand to a full extent like aliens. Back then it was if you seen something and told someone about it then people will believe in it and think its real so if you seen a UFO then people would think that aliens exist.when no one really knows if they exist or not.
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Rachel montgomery
2/8/2012 10:29:31 pm
I agree with Tolkien because Beowulf is the alien that is trying to win the fight. The first time he fought he lost. So his mom came and killed someone.
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Jessica Angel
2/8/2012 10:33:37 pm
I sort of disagree and agree on some parts. Beowulf has supernatural powers as for example strength in his hands. Grendel and the other monsters I believe would be the biggest alien on how they are described. But beowulf can die at any time. But then other monsters can too but some of them can't.
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Zack Tate
2/8/2012 10:36:20 pm
I agree with the scholar. I think alienation is foreigner or different. The reason Beowulf is different cause he keeps greeting older and the monsters keep attacking and he fights alone. Today alienation is like Somone is moving from a school.
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Jessica Angel
2/8/2012 10:38:01 pm
I agree with Alishia. People back then did believe in a lot of weird things. Today we have more technology and can experiment with things unlike them. They believed anything other people said.
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Tyler hagan
2/8/2012 10:38:53 pm
Yes i do agree. If you're not familiar with the land you have a disadvantage. This is to modern age because when there are wars the visitor usually has the disadvantage because they do not know the landforms
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Bethany Maynard
2/8/2012 10:40:20 pm
Beowulf is not appreciated for the "real" Beowulf. People wants him around for what he can do for them, he's not truley a real person he's always a hero. He can't be a hero forever and he's always going to have these monsters coming after him, he's going to get older like everyone else and not be able to do the things he did when he was younger, he won't be able to fight anymore. In my life my family has always had the same type of problems. When I lived in Florida my lil sis had cancer and big sis was engaged, I was just the one in the middle, people hardly new I exists. I was known for being Alexa's big sis or Kayla's lil sis or Dara's daughter. Also every time we fight our "monster" another one comes, like when my sister finished her treatment for cancer, my father was injured on the job and considered disabled. Every day people fight there "monsters" if it's financial or medical issues or family crises
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Caitlin Reynolds
2/9/2012 06:01:14 am
I agree with Bethany. He isn't really appreciated for himself, he's appreciated for his strength and, well, his epicness. And even though people don't treat him as such, he is still a human being. He will get old and weak with age, even if he is blessed by God. Human things do not last forever, and that includes us humans ourselves.
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Marriah Walters
2/10/2012 01:47:47 am
I also agree with Bethany. Beowulf does all these things and people only notice that. But not how he is. Nobody appreciates what kind of person he is.
Dylan O'Donnell
2/9/2012 01:32:00 am
I disagree I think aliens that Tolkien is thinking about is monsters which could be an alien I suppose but what I think of a monster is like a werewolf or Bigfoot, and an alien being some talk weird looking figure with
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Caitlin Reynolds
2/9/2012 05:57:46 am
I have to say I agree with it. The whole alienation thing is understandable. I think that you would be doomed to fail if you were alien to something. But I can also see the other side of things. There are some instances in which I think that you aren't doomed to fail, even if you are alien to something.
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Kendall Mitchell
2/9/2012 06:02:53 am
Yes I agree. I agree because, beowulf came into a new place and tryed fighting monsters and stuff. So this kind of relates to it. I dont know what alientation is.
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Liz Carroll
2/9/2012 07:22:36 am
When you hear the word alien, you think of UFOs and green monsters with black eyes. But I agree with this, because back then people had different outlooks. Grendall could be sorta like an alien, because he is different. And people just thought of him as like an abomination to God. Or well an alien. There deffintaly is alienation today, womanly hate crims. And different things.
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Cody C
2/9/2012 07:41:25 am
I agree with tolkien because they might think he is an alien because he is from some other land and they are usually called aliens, and it is still the same way now. If someone is different then they will be treated differently.
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Cody C
2/9/2012 07:45:38 am
I agree with Bradley B. You should treat everyone the way that you would want to be treated. If they act or look different then they should be treated the same. You dont judge a book by it's cover.
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yadira:)
2/9/2012 07:57:09 am
hmmm....honestly when i think of "alienation" i think of ALIENS!!
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Amanduhhh!
2/9/2012 09:37:03 am
I agree with him because Beowulf is from nowhere near the Thane's home, and even though Beowulf does succeed in killing Grendel, his mother gets revenge for his death. An example of modern alienation would be someone being ostracized from a group because they're different and are forced to find other friends or in some cases, families; which is happening more and more with stereotypes against gays and lesbians. Alienation in Beowulf is an epic hero going great distances from his home to help people out.
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Amanduhhhh!
2/9/2012 09:38:43 am
I absolutey agree with Hannah, people are scared of the unfamiliar.
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Kelsee burchfield
2/9/2012 11:47:25 am
I agree with Tolkien. Modern alienation is kids/people can feel like thay don't fit in or arnt part of a group. Even if they look the same. While back than people might not feel like they fit in because they look or act different than people back than. Or come from a different place.
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Amanda Baker
2/9/2012 11:05:28 pm
Beowulf is an alien, he came from a different place and he is much different than all of the other previous warriors. Beowulf really isn't loved for who he is, he is loved for the great deeds he has done, killing Grendel. Although he doesn't seem to mind it at all. I feel like there are many other simular situations that can relate to this. One of them being how kids these days tend to keep people around, just for what they have to offer, gaining something in the process. Basically, you keep them around because they are handy!
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Scott lamb
2/9/2012 11:05:55 pm
I agree with the scholar. Beowulf is from a different country. He comes to this country to fight battles. But the battles will never end because there's so many monsters. Basically he's fighting an endless battle, that no one could win, not even Beowulf.
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Tyler rose
2/9/2012 11:06:16 pm
I agree with you Jason. Because Beowulf was thought as an alien because he was disfigured and undefeatable the gods had blessed him with the ability to be best at everything. When we think of aliens today we think of ufo's and little disfigured people that come from a different planet or different place.
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Kelsie barrett
2/9/2012 11:09:23 pm
Yes,peopel in modern day do still ise people. And its probably still in the same way.someone has used me to try and get close to my brother. Like people used beowolf to fight his battles
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Katie Land
2/9/2012 11:29:28 pm
I agreejust with theme statement. Modern day is still just like Beowulf. People used Beowulf to fight their battles for them. Ive been in situations being used before, but not the same reason Beowulf was used. People get used all the time, these days.
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Jodeci
2/10/2012 01:19:06 am
Alienation is like when it all comes down to it we are all alone. I agree with Tolkien because people did alienate Beowulf. They kept him around because he could fight for them and he was a strong hero. That happens sometimes in school when people keep certain people in their groups or around them so they can help them with their work.
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Justine
2/10/2012 01:24:59 am
I agree, Cause he is from another type of land, so therefor he has a disadvantage. It seems that Grendel is an alien. And he is not familiar with the land form.
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Justine
2/10/2012 01:25:43 am
I honestly agree with Yadira. She does have a good point.
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Kelsey Rogers
2/10/2012 01:29:09 am
I agree with Tolkien. I think that back then alienation meant that a person was from a different place. But now I believe that alienation is different. Now it might be when a person is alone or has no friends. Or even when a person believes that there friends are only their friends because of things he/she offers.
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Dylan O'Donnell
2/10/2012 01:31:20 am
Because beowulf doesn't feel like he's used for anything but protection and protecting the village for the people. Beowulf is needed to kill Grendel and grendels mother because he has a gift from the Gods which gives him extra strength, hence how he's strong and can defeat monsters. I don't think of Beowulf as an alien I just think or him as sort of immortal in a way, when I think of an alien I think of a weird creature with 10 arms and 3 legs or something like that, that came from somewhere in the galaxy, and Beowulf came on a ship with normal people and warriors.
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Dylan O'Donnell
2/10/2012 01:37:47 am
I agree with Jason Riley saying Grendel is like an alien because he is mutated and disfigured and weird, I think the same thing applies with genders mother as well because she is mutated and ugly, disfigured and just not normal, but she can feel like pain like a human, and that makes me think and question to myself what is she really?
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Nancy Shepard
2/10/2012 01:40:38 am
For the first part I disagree. In modern alienation, the fight for survival would be a lot more competitive for us because of our modern technology. Opposed to earlier years, we didn't have much technology to fight back.
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Marriah Walters
2/10/2012 01:46:28 am
I do agree. I mean the difference would be in the modern world I would think in a luck kind of way. The more and more you bet the more you lose. You can't really win. In Beowulf I think he uses it where they keep getting attacked and people keep dying. It looks like its gonna keep happening no matter what so....
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Katie Land
2/10/2012 01:48:06 am
I agree with Jamie Hall. People are alienated or judge by the way they look these days. Also how people dress, people judge them. It was different how grendel was.. he was banished by god.
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Nikki Crowe
2/10/2012 03:51:47 am
Well I kind of agree with that guy but I kind of don't because Beowulf does not have to die I mean mean everybody does have to die some day but that doesn't mean that there is a struggle that he cant win. Now when people think of aliens well I think of like alien things like are portrayed in movies. Ugly disfigured things that are very scary. Also they wanna kill us and take over the planet which is gonna put us in like survival mode.
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Summer Johnson
2/10/2012 05:25:10 am
I agree because grendel is unhappy and knows he won't win. Today alienation is different because people now know there's not monsters. People don't think there is anything that could happen with monsters like in the story Beowulf. "Monsters" in beowulf are completely different then what we today see them as.
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